i quite for a while couple of hours. but i got where i feel good about a 30 yard shot now. i got 2 good 3 arrow groups back to back. but do to getting ready for our wedding next week. i havent been able to shoot as much as i would have liked to. so thats my fault there. but i need to get back out and start shooting my 40 and 50 yard pin again. i dout i would shoot a deer that far away. but you never know. that just might be the only shot you get on one.