Virginiashadow and I just got turned down on a incredible piece of property that he discovered. There are a couple of lessons learned here that can benefit others.

I attiribute our lack of success to a couple factors:

1. Always ask permission face-to-face. We tried our best on this one but the landowner was protected by hefty secretary lady that would not facilitate a face-to-face opportunity to ask permission. Brett even offered to put lotion on her feet but it didn't help...

2. Virginia law protects landowners from being sued by any recreational user to include hunters. I just learned this small but important fact today (after being turned down). This is the kind of info that can turn the tide of an 'asking' session if the landowner has liability concerns. Might be worth checking into your state's laws. I also have a release from liability form that I can email anyone who needs it - send me a PM with your email address.