I have to think that spine and tolerance gets way out past 30-31" then?

BobCo, I hear the same things about you long draws! Just can' t get those carbons to fly....for the better anyway. Where' s Frank, he' s a long draw too....and shooting carbons last I knew.

I honestly wasn' t trying to start anything, just relaying my experiences. I have seen broken off/shattered carbons in deer....the pultruded carbons, but by no force other than the deers' own. Bouncing -- it was a long story when I was at a local shop and just a noob! Kept me away from carbons myself, for at least 5 years. It might have been a mech tipped carbon at that....I think even then I suspected lack of K.E. -- or not enough uuummmpppffff, as I so eliquently reffered to it then! I see nothing wrong with your phone poles....I just can' t imagine seeing arrows that long in my quiver. How long are they, 33" ?