I was thinking the 12 point would go 140. I thought he was a 3.5 year old. I don't know if I should wait on something bigger or take one. I have bigger deer down there but they are only 2.5 years old and I won't kill anything until its at least 3.5, but would rather a 4.5. It's a hard decision, but one I am gunna have to make. Thanks for all the help guys.