I thought I might learn something in this thread but I've read 5 pages now and learnt nuttin. I cant answer your ? Bro cause I really dont know. But at least I wont bark some BS comment about how an acorn falling out of a tree will kill a deer just as quick as a 416 rigby! Personally, I hate the whole "I can kill a deer with a 22lr" talk. I mean, who can't? Shoot it in the eye! Does that make it ethical? H&ll no!!!!! It all boils down to idiots wanting to brag about how good a shot they are but no one on here really cares so why keep bringing it up? Me I'llnuse anything from 243 on up because I dont want to depend on my "pinpoint accuracy" to kill a deer. We all owe the animal more than that!!! If you hunt deer with a 22lr yur an idiot, PERIOD!