thanks derek. I have been using rages for quite awhile and love them and personally have never had a problem with them but i do believe they cost me one of my biggest bucks of my life and i didnt even shoot. mainly cause i was worried about its ability on a shoulder hit. when ya have a 150 class 10 pointer at 12 yards and his vitals are behind a tree and all you can see is the shoulder i would have liked to have been able to take that shot. i probably could have slipped one in at the edge of the shoulder blade but i didnt want to take a chance on wounding and not recovering such a good animal.