when i got em two years ago, i noticed the tip wasnt sharp, and took 5 minutes to sharpen em. I actually think the only broadhead i would buy without goin over em are naps and slick tricks. Needless to show the first deer i shot was about 170 dressed out, at 35 yards or so, and the arrow went through the blade of the front shoulder, and out the knuckle of the back. not the greatest shot, but the arrow was buried in the ground 10 yards past the deer. I have no issue with the penetration of these things. I would never use the 3 blade though