I just picked up muzzleloading last year, but the 200gr SW was the first thing I tried. My barel is tight, so I also tried some of the 250gr Hornady High Speed sabots which are easier to load, but they seemed too easy and didn't group well for me. The supplied sabots with the 200gr SW are really tight in my Optima Elite, but grouped really well using Shockey's Gold. I just could load more than a second shot though. I just picked up a can of BH209 so I will try the supplied sabots with that and see how they do. If I can't load a second or third shot with that, I will try some crushribs. Hoping to try the BH with them tomorrow. Didn't take a deer last year with the muzzy so I can't speak for terminal performace.