i use real deer urine to make my moc scrapes,the bunch i hunt with 75% are meat hunters. we kill alot of deer way before the rut. we save all our deer urine a put it in a gallon jar in the frig. as scent glands darkin and get rank on bucks we kill ,we trim the hair from the glands and add it to the jar. during the rut we drain off bottles to make scrapes. i think we killed 6-7 buck last yr while standing in our homemade scrapes. i've seen as many as 10 doe's pee in a moc scrape in one day. PROOF THAT NOTHING WORKS LIKE THE REAL THING.