Thanks BTB. Good luck to you all this year as well. Apparently you have the best/ worst hunting of anywhere.

It is easy to research what is going on in Pa - visit the NE forum here and try not to see opions. Its great that hunters are passionate - but the level it gets goes beyond passion and ofton into hardheaded nastiness.

One thing that is obvious if you compare is that they are 2 very different areas - as claimed by all those who say findings from other states can't be used in Pa because you have unique dynamics. Works both ways.

NY has seldom or ever had public discussions or calls for HR other then isolated urban settings, Our large tracks of forested land - mainly Adirondacks and Catskills - historically have low densities. In many units there, there are few if any does tags given. Never heard of a need to lower further for certification. AR there would effectively limit opportunities to where many hunters would just give up.

The Alleghaney forested region in the SW part of the state consistantly produces one of the highest buck takes with a lot of real slammers every year. No strong biological case can be made for AR there.

Just some thoughts on the differences in the 2.

One thing for sure - topic brings division.

Steve