Ah man Grouse, don't tempt me. Those are pretty high marks you're giving the Vision. I've never shot one, but some of the reveiws seem favorable. However, Randy Wakeman gave it an average grade. I'm not saying that's the gospel, but those were his impressions of it. http://www.chuckhawks.com/knight_vis...zzleloader.htm I will say that I love the camo design. Very good price still yet. Should have jumped on it when you dudes were getting it for $179.00.