I started shootin them last summer when they came out,I have a CVA Kodiak with a Leupold 2-7 and It shoots almost one hole groups at 50yds with 2 777 pellets! I love these bullets.I ended up buying 5 packs for $9 when they went on clereance at walmart. I shot a doe opening morning of our ML season here in TN at 60 yds,complete pass thru and had a blood trail ray charles could follow.