your right, something isnt right. Its just that this lake is less than 2 minutes from my house whereas the other lakes are 20-30 minutes from the house. I think im just wishing that there are some fish in there but I'm starting to think its a wish wasted. Ive gotten one or two mure lures to try out, but if they dont produce, im washing my hands of this lake and sticking to the ones that I enjoy fishing. afterall, if its not enjoyable for you, then its not the right hobby for you. [8D]