Shot up hill 10mm/200 grain xtp/mag over 110 grains BH209 in a cr40/50 sabot. !st shot 140 yards low in the boidy no blood trail, 2nd shot heart at 40 yards drt, again no blood. Found the 1st bullet and it had traveled up threw the the body and lodged in the skin on the right shoulder. mushroomed perfectly.

Shot 83 grains goex 3f , flinter using a TC Cheapo Shot wounded a deer at 97 measured yards, broke the shoulder very litlle blood (didn't sleep all night) got up next morning in the first drive drove her into a poster that finished her DRT. He used 80 grains goex 3f under a pillow tickand a .495 /177 grain ball.