Windwalker....the situation with your daughter is unfortunate. It is even more unfortunate that so many of the PGC cheerleaders turn a deaf ear, and deliver a coined response to the effect that you are doing something wrong, or lazy, you need to work harder or make those kids work harder to get a deer. So many things compete for our kids time these days, that its increasingly more difficult to get them in the woods and keep them there. They have short attention spans and expect some form of gratification beyond birdwatching, if they are going to adopt the hunting lifestyle. It's also so easy to pass judgement on another's lack of success from a private land honeyhole, etc. My older kids will begin their deer huting soon, in the next few years, and I really worry about providing them with success early on. It seems that every yearI lose access to more and more quality land, and I worry that while I split hunting time on public land now, that in the near future that may be all I have left to hunt. I've seen the lack of courtesy out there, and now the lower deer numbers only make it worse. if you hit a deer and it doesn't drop in its tracks you better sprint after it before the jerk a hundred yards down from you puts his tag on it. Now the jerks are even more likely to pull a stunt like that as it might be the only deer they see all season. I'm feeling you, and I hope for both of your sakes that conditions improve. It's a shame that you and I will be profiled now as "needing a deer behind every tree", when thereIS a happy medium between a deer behind every tree, and the trillium garden of eden.....AND THIS IS NOT IT!