thanx
dogboy- partner is getting old and slipping his first bear that was with recurve only went 13 paces.btw he is 18 years my junior and i don't think i have had under 40 yards. one of ourfriends beat his 13 paces with 10 if you don't count distance up and down a tree. he thinks that disatnce should count. but it is great when they don't travel far and you hear the death moan quickly. especially with big brown bears in the area.