Bb,once again very valid informative points.I have harvested some real limbhangers do to the fact I got a fix on exactly where they were at due to there own strutting activity.I have had countless guys tell me I cant hear a bird drumming over a hundred yards.I hunt alot of open woods and I got news for ya I can, the key is knowing what to listen for in those certain situations.If there are hens present he may not gobble but he is making noise because I' ll garuntee he' s in full strut!!