You are right Lanse. The only reason why it isn't that bad here is that he deer hunting isn't that good. We get lots of deer here but it is difficult to get a deer beyond2 1/2 years old. The F&W dept has done some AR stuff and thequality of the deer has improved but we are still light years away from the mid west. I can still hunt any piece of non posted land because this state has deemed all land is huntable unless posted and there is a ton of open land. I like it that way.