I think M.T. is right on this one Chuck but I do not know for sure. also keep in mind some are checking the posts that are not even members. But none the lessI do this all in fun and I haven't even wet a line yet. I am currently trying to hunt turkeys. This is my first year in trying it so I am hoping to get one. My weapon of choice is the bow, could of blasted one easy this morning with a shotgun. Ihad justknocked my arrow in and was getting ready to draw when a truck drove up. I am going to try it again in the morning but it's a long drive for me.