I have had 4 as I said before. I think they were all 8 point. [ whatever Savage uses] 3 3-9x40 and 1 4-12x40. Two of the 3-9 were great. The other two were junk. The 4-12 wouldn't zero and the other wouldn't hold it's zero. Savage uses these on their package guns. I had one on a .17hmr And 2 diferent ones on my .204. I started with a 4-12x40 on my .223.[ Against the advice I was given on this site[ live and learn I guess].] I ended up with a Weaver 2-10x38 classic on my .223 . No complaints so far. Like I said before 50% is only good in baseball. Weaver has changed hands in the last coule of years or so. Are they still the company they were before, or should I look at other scopes?