I would have to agree. But as for a response to the post, I have had no exp with the Mach II but I have with the 17 HMR. I have found it extremely accurate in my Savage 93. I used it for squirrel (IMO its overkill) but since our fall turkey season overlaps small game season, I carry it. I have taken 2 nice turkey with the HMR and both were DRT.