yes' i'm talking about a tough steep angle shot. not that easy 45 degree quartering away shot. all you have at 15 yards is about 4 to 6 inches to put that arrow in. and by george, if you can group arrows in a 3 inch group at 30 yards at a 3-d deer target, then you should have the confidence to take and make this shot. i think there's alot of hunter's here now that would not take that shot. but as they gain more experience and confidence over the years then this shot will become second nature to them.