wow, thanks for the help. I've looked up all the rest posted and I've got to get the peep changed its all set up for a release...maybe I'll put a rest on and shoot it with my brother's release..see if I like it...I used to beat my friends at the 3d meets useing fingers...I figgered I could allway shoot with my fingers...you can't forget to bring them along...thinking of all the times I forgot a knife or flashlight, I'm sure I'd be in a tree looking for my release lol