OK colorado - I apologize. I didn't mean that to soundpersonal. Just sort of came out that way. It just that a few people in here think whatever they have is the greatest. I know there are some people in here that all they own or have ever owned is Remingtons and put down other manufactures even though they do not have any experience with them. And that really gets my goat. And like Duval said... buying a gun is like buying a car. To each their own.