Picked up the newIceman last friday. Shoots awesome and rock solid when at full draw. First arrow at 10 yards was dead on, so shot two at 20 and had a 1 inch group, adjusted my hha to what I thought was 30, shot two arrowsand had a 2 inch group. I was impressed with how dead on the shop owner was at lining everything up settinit up. I was confident I could have webnt and shot a turkey with it that night on my 6th arrow. Gotta wait one more week though so we'll see what happens... Now I just gotta get rid of the 08 Ally. Couldn't pass up the deal I got on this Iceman.WCL