"There's alot of people publicly asking for alot more deer than the habitat should support.I've been to several save the deer meetings.Each time,several people including state reps and other poiticians have stood up and complained that they no longer see 60-100 deer a day anymore."

Ive also heard some of them at meetings say this, though I didnt take it as them wanting to see that many, though Im sure some might. Usually when Ive heard them make the comment it was in a comparative manner to what they are seeing now and they usually say VERY few to none. I also hear them often say they dont NEED to see that many, but what they are now seeing is ridiculous. Thats been my take of most who Ive seen make those comments in person among those Ive spoken with, as well as some of the televised meetings.

"That's no lie.Lastyear G.L. from the USP wrote an article about dropping a spike buck back in the 1970's.He went on to describe how he picked that deer out of a herd of something like 45 other deer.They were what he called the good old days.It's amazing that people really don't see anything wrong with those scenarios."

I agree, but Regardless of how you feel about that Doug, there's a heckuva lot of middle ground between there and where we are. It doesnt have to be, nor should it necessarily be one extreme or the other as I see it.

"On another message board,a poster was complaing about only seeing 15 bucks in three days of bowhunting.An adminstator on that same board also claimed he didn't care one bit about the habitat as long as he was seeing enough deer running through the open timber to keep him interested."

Those people are welcome to their opinions Doug, but that has nothing to do with wether what is currently being discussed is right or wrong.

"There really are alot of hunters that expect hunting tobe just like that.The extremists are on both sides."

Agreed. But what makes the "environmentalist extremists" so much worse currently, is that they have the steering wheel. The problemis that some of those extremists happen to be dictating the management scheme right now with. Andhavingit be the "ecoweiney" agenda instead of the "hunter extremists" doesnt make it any better, nor should it be any more acceptable. We need middle ground. Currentlymiddle ground isnot any more of anoption than the ridiculous deer numbers are. Thosein control want what they want and that is that. And that isnt because "we" in the middle refuse to compromise, its because we are unheard every bit as much as the few hunter "extremists" you speak of are.