At the end of the day, i'm just trying to save someone money. They are both good Muzzleloaders. As far as my Triumphs let's see. The first one i ever owned my best hunting buddy bought. The second one i owned i had problems with the silver weathershield and T/C replaced the barrel. Sold that one. The third one i bought was a Black Weathershield. Sabotloader was checking it out and decided he wanted to buy it. So i sold it to him. The fourth one is all camo in my gun safe that has never been shot.