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Old 04-10-2009 | 05:23 PM
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R.S.B.
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Default RE: Forest Health Versus Habitat Health

ORIGINAL: bluebird2

The facts and history of the deer in both forestland and highly mixed farmland or residential areas all clearly do show that high deer populations can’t be sustained long term without a healthy forest. Yes the farmland, neighborhood habitats can sustain deer in a healthy conditions but history has proven that unless there is also a good mix of healthy forest in that habitat equation the high deer numbers will be sustained long term.
That simply is not true and you can't provide one bit of factual evidence that 2B , 5C and 5 b couldn't support their current high deer densities for ever. until you can provide evidence to support your claim ,everything else is just plain horsepuckey.


I have to assume that when you included 5b in that group you meant to type 5D with the other two special regulations units.

You are correct that those three units might be able to sustain those high deer densities forever. They have been doing pretty well at it for the past fifteen to twenty years and even seen to still have increasing deer numbers.

Thank you for pointing them out.

You in those units they have had unlimited antler less license and antler less harvests for almost twenty years now and as a result still have some of the best herd health indices in the state. Besides having good herd health they also have some of the some of highest deer harvests per square mile in the state even including all the city streets in those per square miles, with 2B and 5C actually being the highest in the state and 5D (Philadelphia) not far behind. Therefore, it is only logical to reason that it has been those high harvests that has protected the habitat is those areas so the habitat can forever continue to sustain those high deer numbers.




Now ,just in case you are suffering from a lapse of memory , re,e,ber the extended carrying capacity of valley forge and Gettysburg, which proves beyond a point you have no idea what you are talking about.


I’m not suffering from memory lapse at all.

I just know that the deer in both of those areas aren’t really sustained in those areas. They can leave there to find food and disperse out as needed. The populations once outside the parks are also hunted and reduced. Then once the deer from the surrounding areas are pressured they are smart enough to head to where they aren’t being hunted.
Plus the facts also show that the deer populations in both areas aren’t being sustained and are actually declining of natural affects even though there is no hunting influence within the parks.

Sharpshooters are about to greatly reduce their numbers though from what I understand.
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