"I disagree with your take on what those that are supportive if their change really represent. In the real world of polls they are fence sitters that could go either direction if there vote were the deciding one."

I agree some might exist who cannot decide. And those most likely wouldnt vote on this poll, because I dont have a "maybe". And there is no reason to expect someone who didnt care one way or the other to vote any of the three VERY decisive options that I listed.

"I simply don’t think you have the no increase support you think you have. "

I Know we do. I see it on a daily basis. Doesnt really matter to me if there are another 100 votes that come in for, or against. I know the real score, and i honestly believe you do too. But it doesnt bode well for your agency to flaunt the fact a HUUUUGE portion of those who pay pgc bills do not support what is going on.

"I am also sure you, and the other aliases,"

Ihave noother aliases, and Id thank you to stop makingfalse accusations. I voted once on this poll. Ive never given you any reason to doubt my honesty or credibility. You cannot say the same.

"and handful of like minded posters would all like to ignore the other poll on this same message board. In that poll 61% are presently in favor of an increase with only 38% opposed. "

Actually you are lying. more are AGAINST than are FOR it. You forgot the rediculous nondecisive wording and the fact btb himself even admitted the poll was not at all "fairly" worded.

"The facts are very simple and all of the various polls prove it; the majority do support a license increase."

Hmmm. seems to me, the only unbiased one Ive seen with the most votes was thepoll wherehunters didnt even want a fee increase if it meantand added turkey tag thrown in! Ive also posted SEVERAL poll results from MULTIPLE sitesin regards to what people think of pgc. I think we can both agree they were far less than flattering.

"Even on this site, that is heavily weighted by the USP and a few others that have been kicked off of the message boards that require proper posting behavior, people support a license fee increase."

First LOL, last i checked usp guys were "hunters" just as much as pfsc guys? Second, I dont believe you know how "weighted' this board is with usp guys. Can you please list the members here who are?

Also,I dont think people kicked off of hpa for "posting behavior" add up to a hill of beans. ITs those booted for their beliefs that are huge in number, and why any pgc poll is definately gonna swing propgc. The site is well known for its heavy bias. Considering theregular posters are 99% one of 3sectors... Pgc employees past and present. DCNR guys, and conservation group members. Their number one goal is to put on a show for any visitiing legislators. Ive been a member overthere for8 years. I know from which I speak.

"It is all really immaterial though since the only ones that get to vote on the legislation are the Representatives and Senators voted in to make such legislative decisions. I agree it will be a difficult bill to get passed; but mostly because of the financial state of the present economy instead of if the hunters want one or not. We’ll just have to wait and see how the real vote goes. "

Id like to see things straightened out, you may not believe that, but I honestly would. And Im not talking rediculous numbers of deer and redoing everything. Things will NEVER be good between hunters and pgc if all they ever say is no... How about smaller wmus? No. How about trying to allow a few more deer where they can be? No. how about....No.... And Im not an idiot, and know there is not "good" excuses for every no. but I do know there are some very vile ones.[:@]

Things will never be "hunter friendly" with the current trend in commissioner appointment.

"But, you go ahead and keep shouting, pouting, stomping your feet and yelling liar, it helps illustrate just how immature you really are. "

And you arent??? You appear to have 20 years at least on me, yet you lie continually, purposely decieve, even went as far as threatening me via a friend! (LOL) And you wanna throw stones?? I have as mature and pleasant a conversation as the opposing party dictates. No more no less. I also like the text, since its clear you like it about as much as I like others intentionalmistruth.