Wow I appreciate all the replies. I would like too respond too all but would take too long at this time a night! So anyway I went down too the gun shop and test fitted the T/C bone collector. My first thought was wow this thing feels like a feather! Then I picked up a CVA with a thumbhole grip and I just like that too much so. So Im gonna keep searching and not get in no hurry since I have all kinds of time till the whitetail season opens! Im off too cabellas tomorrow morning and gonna see what that brings!! Thanks IA