I admit to having a Knight and killing a 6x6 elk at 110 yards with it. Iron sights but definitely not like shooting a Hawken. Same argument has raged for years from longbow vs recurve vs compound hunters. I am mainly a bowhunter and have a fast compound but my range is limited to 40 yards. Based on the recent flaming going on about the guy with the new 500 yard rifle shot tv show I think it boils down to yardage. Bowseason is for shots 50 yards or less. Muzzleloader season is for 150 yards and rifle is for 1000 yards. Agree that scopes are pushing the limit on ML. Bottom line is that each style of hunting is harder than the next. If a guy wants to take advantage of a muzzleloader season by using a scope and all the other tricks then he is a ***** and other than that so what.