First off I shoot a scoped (3.5x10x50) 50 cal 700 MLS (inline)[]. I run 100 Gr of Pyrodex and 240 gr XTP' s Sabots, while I can achieve on average 1-1.5" groups at 100 yards, I would never shoot at game past 150 yards. I have tested mine with various loads combos at 200 - the drop, lack of energy and consistency is to to great to warrant a shot on any live critter. So i guess I am saying that 200 or 200+ for most guys is not realistic (BTW I practice a ton, so that is not the reason for my inadequecies at 200 yards). I have rarely ran into to many frontstuffers be it scoped-inlines or sidelock-iron sights that think they are proficent to shot much past 100 yards. I have shot BP and " traditional" ML' s - my groups may have got tighter but my effective range and limit hasn' t changed much. The process has stayed the same as well, I load 1-from the front, cap and shot...clean!

Primitive weapons is not the right term for what is largerly available on the market today; look at bows!!!! I also bow hunt and my bow shoots tighter groups, faster, lighter & my effective range has increased. Yet I can still hunt those extra seasons the same as I did with my recurve or even my old slow tank of a compound, is this fair???? So should we have a different season for all the different bows?? Are you all going to run and sell your fast compound for long bows so you fit into the " Primitive" or " Traditional" meaning of the word/equipment/season?

I think the reason people justify it is the basis stay largely the same with both bow and ML. Even though the equipment is more proficient and really does not fit the intended(original) classification or discription. Rifles have advanced, but still some choose to shoot open sights and less effective or proficient calibers, does this mean we should change the seasons to make it fair on what you use?????

Where do we draw the line????

What is the real issue here? Are we mad b/c those guys who went and forked out the cash for a scoped inline are honing in our animals? Jealous??? News flash guys, you can do the same!!! I really don' t see how yesterday weapons or equipment can be compared to most anything available today! It is a choice and if you choose to not buy something b/c you don' t think it is fair...that is your choice and should not be a subject of debate on does it fit the intended class!!!!

I guess I see it as if it is legal and you want to use a certain type of weapon than by all means do so. I certainly don' t think it does any good for me to bash your choice of legal weapons, just b/c I don' t have one!!! The field can never be leveled, inevitably we strive for more and manufacturer' s produce. If the law makers agree it fits into a classifaction and justified to be used in that season...fine by me. It than becomes a personal choice on what I would to do and not B*tch and Whine session on is it fair or not! Supply and demand drives the industry(like all others) and obviously many feel that newer technology is a benefit not a deterant. I bet somehwere in your equipment closet you use and have something that is miles ahead of yesterdays equipment...what about rangefinders, GPS, FRS, atv' s, calls...the list goes on. Advances are part of life and this sport, we drive the manufacturer to produce more proficent goods to help us be successful in the field (even though our old stuff worked before!!).

Just where do we draw the line and decide what is right/fair or appropriate...can' t have it both ways!

BTW no ML season for Moose or Elk in these parts, just deer and antelope.

I have had people tell me it is not fair to have an extended archery season(harvest selection) for Elk and Moose and main was reason bows today are easier and better than the old style ones that were intended to take advantage of the lengthy season..hardly fair. " My answer to them is if it is so easy and you want a piece of the pie, then buy yourself a bow and get out their to take advantage! I am certainly not stopping you." Pretty simple the choice is theirs to make, not mine. If the laws were to change and say no scope or inlines, I would just go back to my sidelock..no big whoop, but as they stand I am entilted to use what I have and do so with no reservations!

Good Hunting!!!