All I can add in the disagreement of nubbies... when I was forced to shoot a doe first (a deer I really did not want). I was as careful as could be not to shoot a nubbie. I took standing shots at anterless deer. And 99% of the time I had no idea of their sex untilAFTER I SHOT THEM. I then discovered that some were nubbies.

I used to get around this by shooting only LARGEanterless deer. But after the DNR let the population get shot off, that was not the case. Last year I would have been happy to even see a nubbie.

Now granted once in a while I could see the bumps on their heads, but a lot of times that just is not the case. And when a person wants to get this stupid EAB requirement of the way, theslaughter of an anterless, many times they do not care. Bowhuntingfool I am not doubting your ability to spot nubbies, but many either don't have that skill, or because of the EAB could care less. All they want to do is fill the requirement. Hence the buck population does suffer.

I will never forget the year I had one of the biggest bucks ever,walk in on me and stand there, and I had not shot a doe yet and had to let it pass.

Actually I decided after last year that I will not buy a tag this year. And, I am going to lock my land off and not allow anyone on it or to crossit to get to the National. I want to let the herd come back a little in my area. There is my great nephew that wanted to hunt, but after last year's joke of not seeing a single deer, that desire might have been stomped out of him. So he might not want to even hunt. Maybe this is the DNR's desire, to reduce the number of hunters as well... we should have them count the number of hunters that refuse to hunt because of the herd count from last year.

If I had a job where it was my duty to count deer and was off as much as they were last year ( oops..wrong formula), I would expect to be unemployed. They probably got bonuses. After all they tricked a lot of people into buying a license last year, but I have a feeling this year is going to be much different.