More to your point, My 425 grn arrow shot from the Cyclone at 355 fps drops about 8" at 40 yards from it's 20 yard zero. The longer lighter arrow shot from a vertical bow has a higher ballistic coefficient and therefore, drops less. I feel confident shooting accurately, offhand, beyond 50 yards. But, for reasons already stated, I"m not confident that the live target will be there when the arrow arrives from 50 yards away. So, I limit my shots to 40; preferably at RELAXED deer.