Good point Dreaminbout, no the likes of the current crop of high tech muzzleloaders are closer to centerfire than ever and comparing one to the old hawken is like comparing a longbow to a brandxx barnburner compound. They still have to be shot and loaded one at a time and it still takes a while to load them especially with those great sabots so they are somewhat of a disadvantage compared to a centerfire shooter. I think you' ;ll find that if they really start dinging up the herd during their " primitive" season that they will be restricted by having fewer days to hunt or even moved to their own season if it continues. I am perfectly content with either an inline or a hawken style rifle shooting straight blackpowder or pyrodex out of a can and using iron sights. I personally don' t think the use of scopes should be allowed period during any muzzleloader season. I am going to catch flak for that from shooters that use them but I don' t really care, they are wrong and they don' t belong on a blackpowder weapon. On the other hand with the current crop of ultramags and superior optics,rangefinders and specialty rifles modern gun hunters have really extended their range. Todays hunter I guess maybe I was born 50 years to late.