I agree with Chaps about Mr. Shockey. He is in a different league than anyone on this site. That's not to say that all the awesome people on this site haven't done anything compared to JS. Not that at all. There are some extremely smart people on this site that have done some great things for the muzzleloader community. But working up loads,testing sabots, shooting great groups on paper, and having an intricate knowledge of ballisticsisn't the same as putting down a world class animal (or 30 of them for that matter). And until someone on this site accomplished an Ultimate Slam with a muzzleloader, or even a 1/4 of what JS has, he will continue to be in a different league. I'm not nutt-swinging, just calling it what it is....