Thanks for the input.I know to pattern a gun,and that there are many different scenarios that come into play.I was really just looking for some general info.I'm shooting a Rem 870 Super Mag w/ 3 1/2 # 4"s.It shoots a fine pattern out to 40 yards,but I'm a little leery of going past that,possibly because of the hunter pulling the trigger.Thanks again and I hope you all have a fine season.