Greg, I know that roundup would make it easier to grow a planted seed, but, I just would rather not have to use any pesticides. I was thinking of planting buckwheat, or oats as soon as i can get in the fields then, put it under around August and plant turnips. The property I have is 20 acres 10 wooded. The tillable is broken into 3 to 5 acre plots. I may experiment a little in different areas. But on a side note haystack, you may not know it but, Pigweed and Lambsquarter actually taste pretty good. They are both a lot like spinach, but i think better. Don't laugh until you try it... just don't eat the stuff with roundup on it.