No, you do not know what my definition might be and trying to misrepresent my position accomplishes nothing. Everyone knows I am not suggesting the herd be managed at 40 DPSM resulting in serious over browsing. But what I am doing is showing that when the PGC claims to be reducing the herd to less than 15 DPSM to improve herd health, they are being intentionally misleading and deceitful, just as those that claim the habitat is controlling the herd are being misleading.