Sabotloader - I've always used the Win209 for BH and never once had the first hangfire. Glad to see you're getting good results from them as well. Don't have an answer for the Federals... maybe they are too strong because I've got BH to go off w/out hangfires with the Kleanbores which Western says not to use with BH.

Next time I get to the range I'm going to take my 700ML and do some more BH testing as well. I figure if I shoot it long enough EVENTUALLY I'll find something it doesn't like... right?

Good shooting and thanks for the report!