Old thread or not, you have to admit that Savage has come a long way in the past 15 years. They are not the same guns they used to be. I also say that they are the most accurate out of the box guns today. Just put a Model 12 BVSS .223 on layaway. Can't wait to shoot it. Next what scope to put on it. Will have to be a cheapie for now. Something under 250. Any suggestions.