For me, standing off-hand ... very iffy! Who am I kidding ... it be luck for me !! I cannot use open sights at all now a days. Eyes gone south ! And I'm getting too old for being steadyat standing off-handshooting. Kneeling or prone, I think I'd be OK. But frankly I don't practice that stylemuch at all.Though I definitely practice a bunch from the bench before muzzle loader season, with a good rest, I'd be dissapointed if either of these would not do inside 3" at 75 yards, first shot, out of the gun-safe. I have a Savage ML-10 in which I use smokelessand a CVA Optima Pro in which I use Triple 7. Both are scoped. The ML-10 really groups great - a legitimate 1.25 MOA. The CVA groups good - under 2 MOA. I think the ML-10 groups are that good because I have been able to fine tune thepowder charge/bullet match. I use the Hornady sabot in this rifle. With the CVA, I use 2-50 gr. pellets and the looked for a bullet that worked good. Power Belts have been nicely accurate but have had some problems with seperation at close range. I may try going back to lose Triple 7 and fine tune the charge to the Hornady sabot... but not sure it's be worth the effort. Where I hunt, Ihave yet to have a shot at deer farther out than about 125 anyway. A legitimate 2 MOA is a dead deer at that distance and I have had zero problems recovering.