excaliber, what size guy are you? You mentioned that it was small, so I'm just trying to get a frame of reference. I'm 5'11" 195lbs, so I'm just trying to figure if it would be small for me. I am really interested in the Summit, but the LW is lighter. I like the SummitUltimate Viper SS, but with all those extras that thing weighs in around 26lbs.