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Breech had seen a hunting video where someone shot a elk at 375yds, well I think they were using the BadBullMuzzleloader. Just wondering if anyone had seen or shot one?
They are over $3,000, you can buy a Savage for $550 and do about the same. It is all about ballistics and knowing where you bullets are going to hit. Guys are taking deer at 300 yards with the Savage, shooting 4" groups at 300. If you can take the recoil Savage can get ya there. I have a Savage, however I am dropping back to a "sweeter load" of about 1900 to 2000 FPS and shooting a Barnes MZ or a Barnes 45/70 bullet called the Barnes TSX Flatnose 300g, part number 45843 with a CR sabot and 44g of AA 5744. I shot 200 yardsno problem with my Savage and 67g of 4198, manageable and with the right scope dialed in I am sure I could have shot 300, I would need to get a 4-12 scope to do that however, 200 is the limit for me with the Savage and my current scope. Some guys are shooting 195g Barnes TMZ with 40 and 45 barrels sabotless to 250 yards no problem.
Ithink the current rage of Long Range shooting will pass and we will have the "big and slow is the way to go" crowd which will dominate the market and the "small and fast is a blast" crowd (about 20 pct of market), obviously out west 375 yards for an elk is a poke. But you can do it with a lot of practice and knowing your optics and ballistics of your bullet.
There will always want to be "hot rodders" in the Sunday drive club, for them the Bad Bull was designed, but be prepared to accept a lot of recoil, a super heavy gun, another thing you need to consider is, will this gun be in production in 10 years? For the Savage I would say yes, for theBad Bull, I don't think so. Now if Bad Bull gets bought by TC or Knight or CVA to compete with the Savage and make a cheapter gun, then I would consider it.
Chap