I have an 835 with a 20" barrel. I got it to pattern pretty good with a jelly head choke and 2.25 oz 3.5" #6 hevi-13s. Its a standard stock and it kicks like a mule. The Sims limbsaver pad helps a lot. Its nice having a short barrel. My other gun has a 28" barrel and with an extended turkey choke, it was a pain to use for turkey hunting.