this year i killed 2 does and 1 buck with a 50cal mzl ldr, 1 doe and 1 buck with a 100gr 243, 3 does with a 125 gr 30-06. all but 1 shot, were in fairly thick forested areas, longest shot was 130yds with the 50 cal in a field all the others were no further than 75 yards. the 243 deer were a dbl lung shot and a solid heart shot, both ran about 25 yrds. all the other deer died in thier tracks. all my guns will kill with a well placed round.