BTB, the suspense is killing me....I seriously want to know what ace in the hole they found to consistently and legally bag bucks like that every year on the ANF. But I'm pretty sure you're not going to share the wealth. Is it a tactic that the average joe is able to do in his given area without incurring major expenses or obstacles? Is it something crazy like flying their clients back in a helicopter to remote areas too far to allow reasonbale accessibility on foot?Coalcracker, good luck in NY. I believe you'll find more deer and a better managed herd there. For me, it'll be MD....my buddy has exclusive access to some small parcels in Baltimore co, where the herd really does need reduced ( thus no guilt trips for bagging a doe or two) and there are some whopper bucks around.