That honestly surprises me BT.I see alot of guys complaining about deer numbers in the ANF but I can't personally comment because I've never been there.I suppose if they go through an outfitter he has the time to scout and find the pockets of deer.However an out of stater on his own with little or no scouting time is in for a big disappointment on our public lands.Not unless he simply enjoys being out in nature.