Semisane, I wastaking the sneak and peek approach. It is amazing how you can slip around on these critters sometimes while atother times they catch wind of you before you ever see them. I think of it as being sporting to use a muzzleloader but we have some guys down hear that use longbows - successfully. The shot was about 50 yards cayugad and the bullet was a complete pass through. I have shot one deer and one hog with that bullet/sabot combination this year and it did the job fine. Just to mix things up, I am interested in how these gold dots I keep hearing about would work.