yea the bug tamer does not stop them unless its loose on you any place it is tight you get zapped i' m not impressed with mine. theres a new one out that uses a roll of netting between the sewing. if it is as short as the shannon its not going to be any better.you would think after spending that much money it would work. i can' t beleive that these companys don' t no how long a stinger is on our state bird lol.